Did Tony die?
No.. not me, Tony Soprano.
If you didn’t watch the Sopranos’ final episode last night, stop reading.
Like about 80% of America last night I watched the final episode of the Sapronos and thought that my TV went stupid on me. I couldn’t figure out what happened and it left me pissed beyond belief. “Did he die or not”, was the only question on my mind.
Luckily I read Slashdot and the comments that are posted because they are brilliant.
So if you’re wondering if Tony died last night, the answer is “yes he did” and below is the reason why:
“It was pretty clear to me that he died. Remember the flashback in the previous episode, where Bobby says “You never even hear it when it happens, do you?” Implying everything just goes black – you’re dead before you even hear the gun being fired. Well, that’s exactly what happened. The last thing Tony say was Meadow walking in the door.
Earlier in the episode, he was eating an orange, which is a reference to the Godfather files that has been made before in the series. They signify death, don’t they?”
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I don’t agree with that actually at all… The ending was done like that to leave some people thinking that, but if you really watched the episode, you would understand a very different ending – one that Tony lives for sure…
Really, if you look at the entire last episode, you will realize that it was built around tony living – not dying… The whole point was that Life Goes On… The shit can hit the fan for everyone in the family, but then things end up the same as they were – AJ almost killing himself and then just turning back to his normal self after a little depression. Tony goes to a new shrink to talk about AJ, but just ends up being himself the entire time and reverting back to complaining about his Mother (like usual with Melfi). Medow goes through her stage of not being driven and not caring about her doctor career, but then she reverts back to being driven as a lawyer. Carm cares about her family and Medow’s well-being the entire time – she is very upset about her not being a doctor or good lawyer, but then you see her perk up when they start talking about her salary. Everyone came full circle and are just themselves at the end of the day.
From the perspective of the Mob, the crazy killing episode happens the one before, with Bobby being killed and Sil ending up in the hospital. But the last episode shows that the mob balances itself out – they talk it over and fix the crazy killing situation (that doesn’t work in the mob) and the big thing is Killing Phil. Now, no one wants Tony dead… The fight is over and business is back to where it started…. The Mob came full circle too..
In the restaurant at the end, it is all about the family – that is all. And how they are exactly the same as when they started – together… The focus on the sketchy guy was on purpose, to show that Tony is always looking over his shoulder, has to be sketched out by anyone – to give the audience the perspective that anything could happen… And the anticipation that he will kill Tony – but he doesn’t.. He just goes to the bathroom, that is all… He actually isn’t sketchy at all, just another guy… The ending was one of “Just because this is a TV series about the Mob doesn’t mean we need to kill off the main character in the last episode. Actually, you are all wrong, this show was about family, not the mob, and they all ended up together, exactly as they started.”
If you think that Tony actually dies there, you are discrediting the entire show – because Tony can only die if someone high-up wants him dead, and no one did, Phil was dead.
I have to go with Mike G on this one. Many people like to say the conversation with Bobby about dying proves that Tony died when the screen went black. However, this episode mirrored previous season finales of the show. By this I mean that it focused on the family coming full circle and things returning to normal. As for the “sketchy guy,” he wasn’t in the room when the screen went black. The thing with the oranges as well as the atmosphere of the last seen were meant to play with the audience a little and keep them guessing about what was to come. I would point out more about the tone of the episode showing that life was the theme rather than death but Mike G summed that up pretty well. Lastly, (and this is just a personal opinion) if they were going to kill Tony believe me we would know for sure it happened and not have to look for hidden clues. The Sopranos was never shy about killing someone off and wouldn’t start with Tony.
Tony Soprano is dead. He was a mob boss and a family man and an archetype of men that are masters of a secret world. But in the end he was just a man. His death was a statement about life- here one minute and the next the world goes black. We don’t hear the chaos or the screaming or even the gunshot. When we die we die. Maybe no one put a hit out on him, maybe it was a grudge or a robbery. We saw Tony’s life end through his own eyes. Mob boss, president or king we all die.
tony soprano didnt die. tis whole movie was based on his and his families life. His son finally came back to his senses and everyone was going back to normal and reuniting. Why would the director have the main character killed right in the end. theres no meaning to the movie if tony ever dies
Personally I don’t think there is right or wrong answer, the black out ending was done to leave the question of whether Tony dies to the viewers interpretation. It also leaves the director’s options open for the future.
I wonder what ever happened to the russian ex commando that Pauly & Christopher tried to kill in the season 3 Pine Barrens episode. I remember he got away by taking their car whilst nursing a gunshot wound to the head. I guess it’s irrevelant now but I thought the writers would follow up on it at some stage.
I think Tony got clipped. The story with Bobby etc and when you watch the episode Tony looks for a seat and then the camera shows Tony sitting like he is being watched by someone (or having an out of body experience) Watch it again!!!
I dont think he died, and here is why. Right before the final scene we are shown how all of the characters lives will continue. Pauly taking the job, AJ back to “Normal”, Meadow moving on, Carm looking at her next Spec House. I think that this show started with a bang, all of a sudden we are watching this families life, and bang, now we are done watching. Their lives go on, we just wont be there to watch it.
He’s dead…..the writers wanted an ending that everyone would talk about!!!! Mission accomplished.
He lives. Just like the other guy said it’s all about the ‘family’ and I do mean the family. The mob was the hook but the show was about Tony as a father and a great father who deeply loves his children. No it ends happily ever after Thank the ‘Creator’. I love that show like I love my heart and so do you and that is why he dosent die. We dont and neither do they. Capeesh?
Capeesh my ass….
Tony Soprano is dead,
All the signes were there, but some people are blind. The man with the gray jacket was there for a reason. Phils family wanted a revenge, so they hiered two black men to kill tony and the man with the gray jacket who went to the bathroom was there to give a sign for the black men that this is tony….They didn want to kill the wrong person like what happened with phil.
People who claim that tony is a live, dont really know how the itlaian organized crime goes. Mafias try really hard to avoid family wars, because they are endless.
Phils fmily are behined Tony ’till the end. In my opinion, this will be a great end for the boss “TONY”. we all dont want to see him get old like his fucked up uncle or forced by the feds or go to prison like salk. being Dead is a great end for a great worrior
I really think we are doing what the writer of the show wanted…arguing without any of us having things for sure.
The only thing sure is NOBODY can be 100% sure Tony is dead, why?….because the writer wanted so, even if the logical mind goes towrds that. We all can list here 100 reasons why Tony is dead, but reasons are not FACTS.
personally i think he was wack, but that is MY point of view, and i think all are valids, but i say it again, NOBODY can be 100% sure he is dead.
La Cosa Nostra will NOT murder a boss out of “revenge.” There are examples of this throughout the recent history of the mafia. (Carlo Gambino, murdered Albert Anastasia etc…) Not to mention that murdering Tony in a public place with witnesses is insane.
I have to agree that Tony is alive for the same reasons that MikeG stated farther up.. but then again, that is just my opinion. there is no concrete evidence either way.
WELL?
Who knows wot happened, the fact is no one.
But i will say this, at the end of the credits R.I.P came up in soprano style writing……………….
Tony didn’t die – the black screen was just done to make us think he did. But work it out. Even Butch wanted Phil dead and when he got popped the war was over. Carm was sitting opposite watching the bathroom door so she would have yelled a warning. Meadow was just coming in the room and looking at Tony; so would she. I can just visualise a scene where Carm gets hit by accident maybe, but no hit was set up. The bathroom bit was clever and I think a reference to when Mike whacks Solozo and the cop in GF1. Just because it refers to that though does not mean it has to play out the same. David Chase is too clever to steal a scene like that and anyway, his show mocks the GF by having the characters model some of their actions on it, thereby showing how shallow ‘wise’ guys are. This is just another reason why the show is the one thing that justifies the entire existence of TV. It’s the best show that ever was on TV and the best show that ever will be on TV. Now this show and NYPD Blue have both finished I have contemplated taking the TV to the dump but instead have decided to ration myself to one repeat a week from DVDs, and that way pretend it never ended at all!!!
imo I don’t think he was whacked. I agree with the arguments supporting this. Too many ppl are going into the godfather mould, and I agree with the above post that Chase isn’t going to ‘copy’ it! That would be lame. Also bobby says to Tony ‘you probably don’t even hear it, do you?’. Nothing about it all going black! When Tony refers to that flashback, its because of the situation he is in, in a safehouse, defending his family and life, going to sleep with a shotgun and he’s saying to himself ‘woah this is what it has come down to’. I think we the viewer got whacked, he eavesdropped into the Soprano families life and are now told to move along!
My honest feeling is, Tony is dead. The focus on that guy in the grey jacket is there for a reason, and for that reason to be “just a trick or lead-on” is not the Sopranos’ way of doing things. The entire show was from Tony’s perspective, and the last episode especially. The last thing Tony sees is the way the show ends. The show started with Tony, walked with him through it all, and ended when he did.
In reference to the comment on the “No Revenge Policy” of La Cosa Nostra, you couldn’t be more wrong. The entirety of The Sopranos just goes to show that these laws and ideals of the mob are empty and as upheld as the laws of the playground. Throughout the show we witness constant examples of the breakdown of their traditions. From the homosexuality, to the psychotherapy, Tony’s drug use, and the inbetween. The modern mafia is not the same mafia.
In addition, in reference to the comment on Butch having no beef with Tony that also holds little ground. Butch has never liked Tony and has likened his attacks on Phil to the 9/11 attacks and protested the fact that Tony had balls very fervently. You should also remember his discussion with Phil just prior to scheduling the hits on the entire Jersey mob infrastructure. He and Phil both talk about, “Five fucking families, and we have this fucking pygmy thing over in Jersey. There’s no scraps in my scrapbook.” as well as, “Historically, the Sopranos are nothing more than a glorified crew. We decapitate, and we do business with whatever’s left,” Butch may have eliminated his old boss, but does that mean his memory is wiped clean. After everything that has happened it would pay for him to eliminate all of Jersey and take over.
And lastly if he did not die, and things continued with his family the way we wished they always would, the abrupt ending and blackness would not be there. You can say that it leaves the ending open, but I doubt it. It is symbolism to its deepest core. It represents the fact that Tony’s last living moment is also that of the show.
I’d like to end this with a question. What would it have ended like if he did die? His blood splattered all over Carmella and AJ and the onion rings while the paramedics arrive and try to resuscitate him? No, never. The Sopranos ended it as Tony deserves and as Tony felt. I can’t imagine a better way to show Tony dying in the end, can you? Nothingness is all you are left with at the end of his road. Crime doesn’t pay. That was the resounding message to me at the end of it all.
Thanks for reading, leave me a comment if you’d like to debate further.
I don’t think Tony dies. I think the whole purpose of using Don’t Stop Believing was the words go with what’s happening. The movie never ends, it just goes on and on….. Also, the arguement over Bobby’s statement about death contradicts what happens to Tony earlier after Junior shoots him. If you remember, Tony actually dies for a few moments before they bring him back. While that happened, he was walking up to a house, his dead cousin was out front, and he could hear all his dead family members in the house, including his parents. His cousin says they’ve been waiting for him. Obviously, not everything went black when he died for those few moments.
If the point to this ending is to show that: ‘Never stop believing’… I think the ending goes depending to whatever you believe in. Pick a ending happy or sad, up to you. It’s your choice how this sweet sexy show finishe’s.
I have been going back and forth with people on this for awhile now. Tony didn’t die. Think of one time in the show where they left it up to the viewers imagination. They killed people in every season. Even in season 5, when Tony B shot Phil and his brother, they showed it, Even though it didn’t show while it was happening. I can’t think of one episode where they used inuendos to tell the story. As for the morality of the whole show, it was never about morals, it was a fictional show about the Mob. The whole show was dark. This is what made the Sopranos better than any other Mob movie or show, it was like no other. I’m sure David chase knows that. To think that the show was going to have the same kind of ending as all the other Mob movies would be an insult to David Chase.
Tony ends up blowing Vito in another booth of the resturant, you can see that on HBO’s new series Mob Boss Blows. Who cares if he lived or died the ending sucked period.
Pay attention…when someone walks in the front door, Tony’s head tilts slightly to the left. The bathroom is to his right. In Tony’s last scene, he was not watching someone walk in the front door. Notice the tilt of his head before everything went black. He was looking to his right. His left shoulder and upper arm were moving from his lap as if he was goin for his gun. (watch it in slo-mo) Everything went black for a reason. Foreshadowing; ie. conversation with Bobby on the fishing boat. Of course he is dead. Pay attention to details!
In response to Ram’s April ’08 comment:
Everything about the way the mob communicated with each other was based on innuendo!
“The other thing” or “our friend” – mob code, the hypocrisy behind every funeral, references to “uncles” & “cousins” who weren’t blood relatives, Jewish/cultural stereotypes, therapy and the associations with mothers, the dreams, criminals attempting to raise children from a high moral perspective and clueless when all that nuturing produces an onion, consistently reacting to situations based on the “perception”, an active or inactive response (Tony said it, Christopher said it…”The truth doesn’t matter. What matters is what people think”.) – All good examples of innuendo.
The Latin origin of Innuendo is “a hint by signaling, to signal, to nod”.
No need to know what happened after Tony got shot. David Chase made sure his audience was familiar with that. Honestly, name one instance where a bonafide mob boss, beside Bonnano (died at 97 years old in Arizona) lived to experience a happy ending! The ancient Roman curse…the bosses die tragic deaths. You know, the sins of thier forefathers.
My advise to you; forget about it! Tony Soprano is dead.
If you ask me, i would say russians from the pine barrens episode has cought up with tony. no dought in my mind, tony got whacked
Who knows?
That’s what David Chase wanted, it was left open ended, like many story lines in the Sopranos, it was the style he used right to the final seconds.
As for the Music & the build up, it was an excellent ending & just what I wanted! Something to make you scream because you thought your TV was on the blink, but then smile when you realised, hey that’s the Sopranos for you……
If it were “life goes on as usual”, they should have faded out to black instead of the sudden blackout. There was nothing artistic about that at all. It was like ripping out the last five pages of a book and still trying to pass it off as a masterpiece. If he didn’t die he was obviously going to prison. Carlo flipped in order to help his son so he was going to give the Feds the ammo they needed to wrap up the R.I.C.O. case and Carlo alone knew enough to put him away for 300 years. And once he started naming other names, the dominos fall and the last would be Tony.
That fat guy died… probably got a heart attack while jogging. Fat guys suck
The Sopranos was definitely about the family within the mob environment. Tony constantly juggles the pressures of being a mob boss, father and husband. A dynamic character like this would not have met an untimely demise in a mere restaraunt. Think about it, he has been the boss for close to a decade and hes been in tougher jams than that one. Granted, he was practically alone i.e. no back up… well hes got AJ there for moral support. Plus all deaths have been obvious to every main character, ranging from Pussy all the way to Christopher. Why would Tony’s death not be as apparent? One may argue that he is the main character of the show and based on his fishing trip discussion with his brother in law, once you die, its like fading to black.. the possibility based on potential enemies being in the restarunt, the discussion he had in the fishing boat, his forgiveness of Uncle June and killing phil could mean that Tony is dead… i politely disagree. The reason… he experienced considerable changes in the last couple episodes only meaning one thing, that he needs to adapt and move on and live with it. For example, he changed therapists, AJ is ok, Carmella is in the estate business again, meadow is back on her feet, pauly took the job. These may seem insignificant, but all of these contribute to whole new life altogether. If anything, Tony is and will always be a survivor and the one thing the final scene never revealed was him giving up or being sloppy in a restaraunt of all places. Again i say, Soprano lives!
Tony = alive
I agree with the “Tony is Dead” camp.
All the evidence suggests that he was killed. The director made a conscious effort to show Tony looking up at the door each time someone came in. This made it especially important when Meadow came running through the door and he looked up and then everything went black. The fact that they focused on her parking job(which they had no real reason to show, other than to make it have a sense of urgency that she get in there in time for SOMETHING) added to it as well…let alone the man at the counter who kept gazing at Tony and then disappeared behind him and to his right (where he could have assassinated him.)
All these things combined, as well as the conversation with Bobby in the fishing boat…make me feel this way.
They had no logical reason to cut out all sound and crash to black, either. If it had been a “normal” end, the camera would have pulled away for a long shot and then it would have slowly faded out. It had no reason whatsoever, if he were alive, to just cut out all sound and everything once Meadow came in the door.
Tony Soprano did not die. Death is too simple for him. David Chase is a GENIUS. After so many seasons do you really think a man like Chase, who took a long break to decide how one of the best TV shows would end, would give the viewer (you) a mediocre or done-before ending?
The God Father, Scar Face, Carlito’s Way — all – had a well, somewhat, a predictable ending. You knew it was coming. Somehow or rather. The music and the scenes hyped it up. So what’s new? Did you really expect the ending of The Sopranos to be run of the mill?
Another who shot JR perhaps? There is no mystery here. Chase makes it clear — the answers are there. I repeat: The answers are all there.
Or else it would have defeated the whole purpose of the show. David Chase knew better than to borrow a common scenario. The Sopranos was a different TV series about the mafia and it had a different ending and this is how it works:
Tony walks into the diner wearing a jacket and looks straight ahead…. Notice suddenly he is at the table, jacket off. The viewer does not see him moving to the table, removing his jacket. Why? If you had, you would have seen his back but Chase wants you to be Tony Soprano at that moment, to enter his mind. Remember, Tony Soprano has a lot of issues in his mind; he has been seeing a shrink for a long time. So we see him sitting down and from his Point of View (and his POV is yours too) things begin to take place. The subsequent scenes were part of his ‘What if?’
Meadow not being able to park the car was Tony wondering if he would see his daughter for one last time, or would she be too late to join everyone as a family – together. I repeat, Tony’s POV is yours too.
So Tony’s mind/POV dramatizes the worst case scenario; that she comes in late due to her lousy parking. That’s all. He dramatizes further — she comes in but not enough time to sit with the family because Tony is looking at the worst case scenario.
Blank! Nothingness. You felt it too, didn’t you?
At best, he was looking at the emptiness of the famous adage, “You probably don’t even hear it coming.” The opposite of being is nothing. Cue Satre in Latin.
Moreover, listen to the choice of song, and yes, it’s been talked about but listen to it again. Tony is hoping life would improve. He has gone on a JOURNEY and he hopes to make the best of the future now, but he knows his future is topsy turvy but all he has left is this: That he should not stop believin. If you stop believin, what happens to you? Blank. Nothingness. No hope.
To the people who think it was a godfather referance about the guy going into the bathroom to get a gun to shoot tony, why wouldn’t that man just have the gun on him he has no reason to pick it up in the bathroom because in the godfather mike knew they were going to frisk him, no one is going to frisk a random guy coming in a diner.
Tony is dead, If you know anything about the art of film making, you would realize that Tony got shot by the man in the Members only jacket. In fact, David Chase does a brilliant job of using the the whole 6th season (21 episodes), to end the Soprano’s saga. In the episode stage 5, Jerry gets wacked with silvo right there. Before you hear the shot, blood is splattered on silvo’s face. The to back up this claim, during the episode Saprano’s Home movies and Made in America, David Chase goes out of his way to include Tony’s and Bobby bac’s conversation about not hearing it when it happened s. The way David shot the last scene in the dinner was in-deed to show the audience that Tony Soprano is dead. There is also a pattern of cuts in the last scene. Eveytime someone enters the dinner the camera cuts to Tony, then cuts right to a reaction shot, or point of view shot. If you follow this pattern, Tony’s last point of view shot is all black with know sound, but he really should be looking at Meadow as she enters the dinner. As for a motive for clipping Tony, New York could have tricked Tony by not backing down. Also butchy, the new Lupertazzi boss could have been pissed about the way Phil L died, in front of his wife and grand children, and getting his head crushed. The last motive could be that the Soprano crime famuily is tired of Tony’s shit. For years he grabed with both hands, murdered, been with women and ate. Know its all over. Like Tony has said numerous times ” No risk, no reward”
After much consideration I would have to say he is dead.
The Director made it clear that he left us clues in all the seasons and that in the end it would be an obvious answer…Those who think he is alive are facing the denial I faced when it ended..I want so badly to think he went on to live his life as a one of kind mobster boss but it just isn’t true. Remember to look at all the facts and truly take in what is being yeld at you as a viewer…
IMPORTANT EVIDENCE TO REMEMBER…
In the early eps Tony can be quoted at least 2 times saying “Its going to end for me in either two ways…Behind bars or bullet in my head.”
Tony may be dead. I think he wanted to die – with his family close and near him
so he didn’t die alone.
He offered himself up – by sitting in the open restaurant not against the wall but
practically in the middle of the place with his blind side to the bathroom door.
He knew how the mob got rid of people – the style and the methods and the
trickery used to set one up. So he put himself in that open postion with his family
close so he wouldn’t get it like the Aprile kid did, dying on some lonely street.
(IMHO) of course.
First the fact that people are still even debating the ending or even just talking about it pays great tribute to one of the best TV series ever -and especially to its writers, directors, actors etc.
The Tony dead vs Tony not dead camps each have great points to support their arguments.
In the days following the finale – I found myself going from frustration to anger to absolute bliss in how David Chase and company ended the series. I also went from Tony got wacked to he survived – even years later – I’m not convinced that he died or that anything changed as drastically with Tony’s family as many have interpreted it. Everyone who just knows how David Chase thinks or they know TV technique so well they can predict just how an ending with Tony living would have been shot have got to be either arrogant or naive. The ending was left open on purpose – if you wanted Tony dead ok he’s dead – if you wanted Tony to live OK he lives. The ending is simple – quit trying to read too much into it by delving into vague past references or coincidental analogies or even trying to over analyze what David Chase himself said about the ending. The fact that Mr. Chase remained just as vague as the ending itself speaks volumes about his “intentions”.
As far as I’m concerned both factions win – its up to how you the viewer to interpret it to be. I’m just not convinced that he died – just too many cliche and obvious “reasons” for him to be killed for it to be real.
Not only is Tony dead, but so are the wife and his two fucked up kids. Finito
i shouldnt b saying this but all of u will see it on tv soon tony is not dead david chase is making a final episode just as the screen goes black that was tony having one of his black outs on doing this his head hits the table the gunman is the russian his bullet misses tony as his head hits the table then you see medow getting pushed to the floor by none other than silvio he woke up from his coma and manages to get a few shots offkilling the russian lol na im only joking but come on how good would that be my thought is we dont want tony dead but face it his comments 5 times in all the seasons its gona end with me behind bars or a bullet in the head well see the guy who walked into the bathroom watch season 3 hes the undercover cop so its plain he ends up behind bars but not until he has his last meal with his loved ones rip sopranos what a show
I think david chase had a point by ending the show like that. he wanted to say to the audience:
“come on guys! what difference does it make? when a show ends, this means you’ll never see the characters living again. you wont’t have the oppurtunity to see what they’re gonna do in their lives anyway. so the characters live as long as the show goes on. doesn’t this mean they’re all dead? yes, this was the point but you failed to get it. sit down, 0! :)”
Tony is dead. After all of these seasons, if you don’t know what hit men look like by now (in this series, anyway) then you really are in denial. Tony’s conscientious shut down instantly, just like Phil’s would have, from a shot to the head. The end.
In Blue Comet, Butch orders the hits on Bobby, Sil and Tony. We see the first two carried out, if the third one on Tony was cancelled it would have been included in the story, if Tony had got to him first, again we would have seen it. Lost started with a close up of Jack Shepard’s eye and the show ended with his death, The Sopranos started with a close up of Tony’s eye and I think ended with his death, the close up being used to tell us that we are about to see things from this characters viewpoint.
he is 100 % dead, no arguments. it was said that you may think whatever you want to think because they wanted to make it applicable to everyone who doesnt wan’t to believe in him dying or vice versa. The reference was clear, do not try to make theories or wtvr, he is DEAD. the blackout coulda been him dying or just cutting out right before he died, either way he was shot, and killed. end of story. i mean for gods sake, this is the mafia, you think he would live?
The only thing I noticed waqs that Tony is wearing a different shirt at the diner than he was wearing when he was visiting uncle Jun. Same jacket, different shirt. Dream maybe?
Made in America >> Because the truck driver with USA cap did it. We have last seen him in FunHouse episode, leaving the town after Tony took over his business: camping goods.
I have been waiting him to come back andtake a shot at some point, anyway.
The “maybe a dream” comment from above resonates with me.There’s just something about Made in America which has a dream-like disjointed quality.The Mob War resolution feels too neat…Almost like wishful thinking on the part of Tony.I mean this is a show that’s never been afraid to explore his subconscious mind. Despite the dream riff though, I’m on the fence too. The “you never hear it coming” etc references and film language of the final ep point to Tony being whacked …sure….But I’m similarly convinced that life(or his dreams) go on for Tony.I don’t believe D Chase intends a return to the material I just think it IS open ended and for me at least that helps the final ep live on….and on………………………….
tony is still alive they showd the fear on his face because off by that time family is all he had left they left it as if life goes on i reckon they chose that song as if to say life goes on and life what u make off it meaning tony wants a normal life
tony is dead…..black out signifies death…to those who think he’s not dead close your eyes…black is death…forget the family b.s.. nice thoughts but close your eyes
when the lights r out you are out…it’s so simple
THE BOSS IS DEAD!!!N U HEARD IT D.E.A.D.
Tony is not dead- Facts
for one thing, Butch and the rest of the lupertazzis say they will back off. he also, basically, hands Phil over on a silver platter, even though he didn’t give away his position. he probably doesn’t know. Tony- ”my price is that you help us get a location on Phil” Butch- ”i can’t go there, but you do what you gotta do”. Tony has no more enemies, so why would he get killed?
2. for all the people who say he did get shot, look at the facts. the Soprano family decided at the last minute they would eat in that diner. logically, someone would’ve been tailing him to know he was in there. before he goes to the diner, he goes to see Junior. why wouldn’t they kill him in the parking lots? why would they kill him in a crowded diner? Tony lives on, and he’s facing a bunch of indictments.
To rip 747 you contradicted yourself by saying you were left confused and couldn’t figure out what had happened yet you say it was clear to you Tony died!! So which is it? Also is Tony really died like you say why did the just show it? Because he didn’t die! Simple
“T” isn’t dead!! Tony is a Mafia Boss, He’s not so stupid to take his Family out to a Diner without having his bases covered, during a War Between his Family and another! The “MOG” was his new recruit! They said they wanted the veiwers to see things through Tonys eyes “POV”. Well through his POV we seen the MOG looking at us a couple of times, not to mention when the MOG walked passed him to the restroom, Tony looked at him twice. Being a “Boss” when you feel something bad is going to happen it usually does, and you take no chances! My point is, T noticed this MOG looking at him, if he thought for 1 sec. this guy was strange he would of got his family out of the diner when the MOG passed to go to the restroom, this tells me he knew the guy! The episode before the diner, Carmella told him they were going there to eat, what did Tony say…..You go ahead I’ll meet you guys there, I have to go see a few people!! IMO he was recruiting some new guys, I’m pretty sure he went to recruit some of Phils boys! He’s not taking his family out to a Diner without the proper Protection!!
My god people who whink Tony is dead are fucking retarted. If they wanted Tony dead a guy with a 357 mag with hollow points I might add would walk up and unload the hole thing into his fuckin face. Just like sopranos it would be a massacre. Just like a very wise guy stateted on hear back to buissness, Tony was one of the biggest sourse of income for the family buissness. They had no reason to kill him unless another flamily reached out or it was jr or something so random but never the less Tony made everybody there fuckin money. Just ass its ben stated throughout the hole series even tony with all of his family love bullshit it is all about the money, even for Toney with the exeption of his wife and kids. So whoever thinks Tony is dead you need to watch the hole series over again and if the writer really is implying or killed Tony he is a fucking dubass who doesnt even know his own story.
Cleaver on febuary 6 2012 at 1:38 am I !00 percent agreee big dog I can clearly tell you know whats going on.
Well…. you all gave it wrong… AJ had Tony Killed by the MOG siting at the counter in the diner. AJ was planning it for some time and Meadow knew he was… AJ was the lone wolf – Actually Meadow knew it was going to happen which is why she was rushing to Holstens to stop it// but she was too late… It just took her too long to park the car… did you see her facial expressions… meanwhile at the table, when Tony and his disiples were having the last supper,, and each ate the eucherest (Onion rings) It was he who was closest to him (present) that betrayed him.. Remember the good times..
I could go either way with this, but I will ultimately say that Tony does get whacked in the diner. There are a number of clues that hint at this:
1. The conversation with Bobby on the boat where Bobby says, “You probably don’t even hear it when it happens”. That would explain the fade to black with no sound. Also, Tony has a flashback to that conversation in the previous episode (Blue Comet).
2. The guy on the barstool that looks all shady, he’s wearing a members only jacket. Tony gets shot in the episode “Member’s Only”. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
3. Eugene shoots someone in a diner/restaurant while wearing a members only jacket in season 6. Does Tony get shot by a guy in a restuarant/diner by a guy wearing a members only jacket as well?
4. When Tony is sitting at the table, the inital camera shot resembles the “last supper” picture.
5. Tony eats an orange in the episode. That is symbolic of death in either the Sopranos or Godfather (can’t remember which one right now). In either case, Sopranos often mimics The Godfather.
6. In the same episode, Phil (Tony’s NY counterpart) gets whacked in front of his family just like Tony may have.
7. The guy in the member’s only jacket walks into the bathroom. Could be another homage to The Godfather where Pacino comes out of the bathroom witht the gun and whacks the two guys sitting at the table.
That all leads me to believe that Chase was implying Tony’s death. It could also be that Tony goes on living, but dies at a later date or ends up in jail. That is fate. He mentions death or jail for bosses as the only conclusion on the show many times. Even if he doesn’t die right there, he’ll either get killed by NY or someone in his own crew. Maybe the Russians but I doubt it.
Cleaver- The “some people” he had to see was Uncle Junior.
I could see Carmne being behind it. He comes across as weak but he’s playin’ a hand. LSS he knows he is setting Tony and Phil on a path of mutual destruction. With both out of the way he comes in and picks up the pieces without getting his hands dirty. That would be my Tony’s dead scenario, only Chase knows. Tony’s Character was based (supposedly) on Vinny ‘Ocean’ Palermo (NJ DeClavente family). Palermo was busted, went into Witness program , then moved out to Texas and started/bought some successful strip clubs made a fortune again.
Mike, you are a simplistic moron. I know this is years after the fact but I’m having a slow Sunday. Tonys dead!
Tony is not dead. If he was dead they would of made sure that everyone knew but they didn’t so that means Tony is alive!! the simple fact is Tony is alive BOOM
CARMELLA – “AJ WERE GOING TO HOLSTENS” ONLY AJ AND HIS GIRL WERE THERE, OH YEA AJ WALKS IN WITH THE MOG DUDE SYMBOLIZING HE BROUGHT THE DEATH UPON THEM
Junior killed him
ok, her it is 6 years later and i’m still undecided!
Tony wasn’t dead. But he is now. RIP James Gandolfini.